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Have you used a tanning bed for your psoriasis? What was your experience?

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114 responses

Adam
Adam @ads666

I have, for several years. Initially had it prescribed then did it off of my own back. It was very effective but required me to do it over a fairly sustained period. In the end, I decided to give it a rest as I was concerned about the harm it might do. Always worth consulting GP first. They’ll probably do some tests so that you know how sensitive you are to it. I’d do it again, just need a break and the suns shining now!! ☀️


Steve
Steve @psoriasisboutique

I bought a handheld device, but I think a booth would work better if you have it on multiple parts of your body (as I have realized 8-))


natalie
natalie @nataliemc

Yes. They cleared my psorisas right up. When you stop tho it just comes back. They are just a quick fix really.


Jean
Jean @jeaney3737

Yes I have used tanning beds and very effective; tanning beds won't help scalp psoriasis though


Lorna Penner
Lorna Penner @lornapenner

Nope and I wouldn`t use tanning beds ever. I wouldn`t even do the light thearapy again.. Just sit in the sun for short periods at a time. and take vitamin D/3


Lynn
Lynn @lynnb366

Yes! It was the only thing that helped my skin when I did not have medical insurance and it was before I discovered a natural product to help clear my skin.
I only went for short length of time about 3 times a week. It was a pain in the butt but the only thing I knew I could do at the time.m and my family doc said she could cure me of skin cancer faster than the Psoriasis that I had.


Ruben
Ruben @ruben

Yes, helps but agree with Natalie that it's only a quick fix


 John, THE HULK
John, THE HULK @chewbacca

No,years ago in a galaxy far far away i would stand in a uv cubicle in the hospital and it did nothing but made me itch,sun beds no :)


Jean
Jean @jeaney3737

I can just a out remember my man taking me to hospital for this when I was 9years old. I had a bath with tar smelling stuff then stood in front of the lights then had cream and bandages on arms body and legs; we we t every day for 3 weeks 😣


Carolyn
Carolyn @carolyn947

No, here in South Africa we're fortunate to have lots of sunny weather so I get my vitamin D from the sun-never used a sunbed before but would be interested to know if it works for psoriasis


 John, THE HULK
John, THE HULK @chewbacca

Sounds pretty much like my childhood Jean,i was told stress made it worse and everyone around me stressed me, i hated childhood to be honest, things got better when i left home which i was 17 then a few years later my psoriasis calmed down wasnt as bad, i can remember being in a hospital at a month at a time wrapped up like a mummy stinking of coal tar, those were the dark ages :)


Andy
Andy @andy7

Yes, in the early days. It was ok but never cleared it completely. I was referred to dermatology and had uv treatment there but it would only last for 6 months. Due to skin cancer I can’t have anymore uv treatment.🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿


FlakyChica
FlakyChica @flakychica

Tanning beds actually make the skin "sick'. Sorry to be a downer 'bout it. harms the immune system


Andy
Andy @andy7

I ‘m sure you’re right Flakychica, I’v Spent a long time working outside with my shirt off so I don’t suppose I have helped myself. Anything to relieve the itching and flaking was worth trying.🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿


Tracey
Tracey @tracey2103

Yes but scalp is still packing up


tony
tony @warby

I had 3 lots of brown coal tar ointment..was very messy..was going to have uv treatment when i was 10 but they never sent for me..i got it on my face..someone said have you been in the sun too long..i say yes i have then doing have to explain


Rose
Rose @rose7857

Yes... seems it irritated it more!


Bob
Bob @Handsomebob

I was fortunate to have a try at puva treatment which involved traveling 40 miles to stand in a booth similar to a tanning booth twice a week it was going really well until I took an allergic reaction with tiny spots all over my body and the itching was unbelievable I was ripping my skin to bits they stopped the treatment and my psoriasis came back I absolutely detest it


FlakyChica
FlakyChica @flakychica

Quote from US Gov: according to a recent study, radiation from just 10 indoor-tanning sessions in 2 weeks can suppress a person's cancer-fighting immune system. Tanning beds use UVA light, which penetrates the skin more deeply than UVB rays. So tanning beds can cause just as much — if not more — damage as the sun


Rose
Rose @rose7857

I won’t be in a tanning bed any time soon ..


natalie
natalie @nataliemc

Why did you hate childhood John..


 John, THE HULK
John, THE HULK @chewbacca

Hello Natalie, there were some good things at that time which i always remember with my friends etc dancing in the street those times were great,myself and my father and there was stepmother with her 4 children and me being flakey and weak,you know who was the black sheep :) i wont go through details, thanks for asking though, could had been worse, theres worse out there


Elizabeth
Elizabeth @elizabeth59

I would like to give it a go as nothing else works


 John, THE HULK
John, THE HULK @chewbacca

Have you tried Diet/lifestyle changes Elizabeth to get improvement?it is a choice though a choice for everyone :)


natalie
natalie @nataliemc

That's a shame John that you were made to feel that way.


Stephen
Stephen @Popmyster

Never tried a tanning bed at all I would be interested in what people say


rachel
rachel @wynnegee

Ah John, what doesn't kill us makes us stronger ..... you're certainly a bit of a wise sage now :-)
Never used sunbed for p but do use UVB. I've relied on it for years but now finding some success with diet and lifestyle. I've still used it a little this year, just to boost the diet but hoping that I use it less and less as the effects from diet and lifestyle take over.


Brucew

Jeanette
Jeanette @je3

I had PUVB light therapy for the first time some 18 years ago. It was like magic & cleared my skin 100%. I went on a 3 week vacation & it returned after a few weeks clear. I restarted the UV treatment, it never worked again, despite several other attempts. I am now on monthly biologic injections. They work 100%, but I’m convinced they have some very unfortunate side effects. However, I’m willing to take the risk, as my life with untreatable psoriasis is unbearable.


Rose
Rose @rose7857

Every person is different.. and we make choices that we will live with. One never know what the future will bring. All the best to you!


Jeanette

Susan
Susan @susan191086

I have just had sunlight treatment, twice a week for the last five months, under the guide of the hospital. Despite a skin test I have burnt on several occassions. Alas the treatment hasn't worked. Back to the drawing board.


Suzanne
Suzanne @Suzon

If you use a tanning bed, be careful they use UVA. Dangerous for skin cancer. Light therapy uses UVB and for a short period at a time depending your skin tone. The longest I’ve used is 2 minutes and 3 second.


Norma
Norma @norma5

No I have not. Waiting to see a Dermatologist and will take it from there. 🙏🏻


Andy
Andy @andy7

Hi Suzanne, I remember going for my 1st uvb session, stripped off, dressing gown on walked 10ft gown off into cabinet 10 seconds and I was out again. 😂 I eventually got up to 3 1/2 minutes.


 John, THE HULK
John, THE HULK @chewbacca

Thanks Natalie and rachel haha wise maybe ? :) could had been worse natalie is the way i see it,i have known a person who was so traumatized from sexual abuse from her own father from the past,I did help her through some of it but it wasnt easy,she lost someone,a father she loved and trusted, got to be one of the worst to go through i know i saw it for 5 years in her and i was in a relationship with her for 3 of those years,shes a lot better now than years ago so i look at it, my lifes not been that bad, i moved on years ago part of the reason i dont see my father, it brings it all back in my mind how it was then but, i know theres worse out there and that applies to psoriasis also depending how bad things are of course,we all have a past good and bad, thank you :)


natalie
natalie @nataliemc

Well said John.. There are so many sides to u. It's amazing.


 John, THE HULK
John, THE HULK @chewbacca

Thank you natalie well, i do have a dark side as well haha :)


Rick
Rick @rick46

Yes used it works great just hard to pay for tanning bed after I moved..


Eric
Eric @FedUp

I used tanning beds for many years in the past. It did help, but the UVA exposures convinced me to discontinue that habit. Fast forward to last year, I bought a Narrow Band UVB full body panel, and was cleared 90% within the first three months! I did not continue to use it during the colder months since I was wearing clothing to cover it. It did come back, but only about 50% of where I was when I got my home unit. UV has been the best treatment other than strong steroids. I always had a rebound back to where I was, if not worse, with the steroids after only a few weeks of discontinuation. NBUVB is by far the safest UV treatments out there, and I would NEVER recommend a tanning salon due to the significant increase in risk of skin cancer. Best of luck, and best wishes to you all!!! HUGS!!!!!


Bonnie
Bonnie @BonnieV

Yes! It worked pretty good as long as I could go 3-5 times a week.


Sheldon
Sheldon @sheldon1

Have tanned off and on for about 30 years. Winters are so long here, mine gets bad around January already. If I go twice a week for about a month, I can maintain it (not get rid of it) going just once per week. But once I stop, it always comes back.
I was prescribed light therapy by my dermatologist. Did 40 sessions. Started of at 50 seconds. The longest was 2.5 minutes. Helped a lot. Came back a month after. The most mine has cleared up, in 40 years, was about 18 months ago, my pancreas blew up. I was in hospital for 5 months. In ICU for the first two months. Didn't eat. Just IV. Totally vanished, for the first time. But I don't recommend that route lol...just found it interesting. And yup, it slowly came back once I started eating.


Annette
Annette @annette79

I have heard it helps those with psoriasis all over. But didn’t do anything on the pustular on my feet.


Ruth
Ruth @ruth8

Yes if I see it starting to flare up, I have a few tanning sessions and it’s gone. I find you have to catch it early on.


carol
carol @carol1943

Yes. Many years ago. I think the results were not great. My skin was so awful in those days that nothing really made a lot of difference. Biologics were the first real help for me and I have never in 60 yrs been completely clear not even with the biologics.


Angie Inouye
Angie Inouye @Busybusygirl

I have not used a tanning bed, but I quit eating gluten and my skin healed. Amazing.


tommy
tommy @tommyboy2

Never tried one!!! Maybe I should if there is a positive reply!


Cecelia
Cecelia @cece

Yes for years,however it gave me a close call for melanoma. I now use a medical bed with uvb light only ordered from my dermatologist. Works better than tanning bed !


El
El @el1

Yes I have used in the passed but did not like , I also bought myself a hand held lamp which is ok if you want to do one area and found this better in the long run .


Carol
Carol @calzanne

I have used tanning beds gets a bit worse at 1st but after a few sessions you will def see improvements



Hester
Hester @hester2

Yes, but the marks itched and appear more reddish


mary
mary @mannion70

haven't tried tanning beds bit did go off gluten and dairy and seen a huge difference but alas fell off the band wagon and it came back so have to start again. I think diet and lifestyle plays a large part


Carolyn
Carolyn @carolyn947

Absolutely Mary, I've been meat & dairy free for 6 months now & the psoriasis has reduced by 70%!


Susan
Susan @godcares

Flaym a tanning bed never worked for me. The UVA light unit did work but whenever I stopped my skin issues came back.


Pauline
Pauline @pauline24

Yes very effective cleared up my psoriasis but when I stopped was as bad as ever unfortunately


Beverly
Beverly @Silver

I have used a tanning bed under a doctors care and it took months but it went away but soon after it came back and worse ever


Justin
Justin @justin1

In the summer, I let natural sunlight work its magic on my Psoriasis but in the winter months, I use a tanning salon JUST FOR 6 MINUTES PER WEEK.

Nothing eradicates Psoriasis, but the sunlight, even if it is from a tanning boutique, helps it!



 John, THE HULK
John, THE HULK @chewbacca

I would rather not put myself through that thats for sure, cant beat proper sun light for the skin i think anyway when we get it?been good for a few days or more now in the uk, today was great, not too hot, perfect :)


Sarah
Sarah @sarahuk

I haven't, my derm couldn't recommend it to me so I was always concerned about the possible risks.


Charlotte
Charlotte @charlotte1971

Since nothing I tried worked, I wanted to try tanning bed. I've went several times so far and it seems to be helping. I just go for about 3-5 minutes 3 times a week.


Meryl
Meryl @meryl1

Tanning beds have actually been banned in Australia at a commercial level as they have been linked to melanoma ! We are fortunate to have plenty of sunshine here .


Andy
Andy @andy7

I think that’s a good thing because some people don’t know when enough is enough. If they could only see the damage it does. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿


Lana
Lana @lana3

I use the PUVA lamp and I think the is wonderful.I have also achieved exceptional results with ALOE VERA ESI for 3 months. Sea water and sunshine helps and almost disappears,but in the winter it returns. :(


Michelle
Michelle @michelle1021

No I have as we have sun all year round but after watching final destination (the movie) I'm too scared to even try a sun bed.


Justin
Justin @justin1

Michelle, I am extremely envious of you having year round sun. Here in England, sunshine is sporadic.
I have found that Coconut Oil works almost as well as sunshine but not as pure!


 John, THE HULK
John, THE HULK @chewbacca

Yes i would be a clear skin if we had sun all year round i think,uk is rubbish for us flakers :)


Clive
Clive @clive1

Is this just a standardized sun bed as in the type that ladies use in beauty salons ?? or is this for the more P focused and aligned sun beds using another type of light bulb ??


Brucew
Brucew @brucew

Clive
Found both helped with P.


Clive
Clive @clive1

Thank you that is really helpful will now try to find a normal sunbed and try using it !!


Michelle
Michelle @michelle1021

@ Justin & John. I am privilege to live in sunny SA and should stop complaining.


 John, THE HULK
John, THE HULK @chewbacca

You should Michelle lol, why you have less flakes maybe than some here in the uk :)


Justin
Justin @justin1

When I was working, I had a relationship with a lady from Jo'burg - I nearly moved there!


Alana
Alana @alana1

Gut health stops it.. I am living proof. I was diagnosed in Febuary 2018 and I am free free free. My skin is back to normal. Do believe you have to live with it. It didn't and now I dont... The Gut!!


Chris
Chris @chris920

Alana, please share what has been working for you. So glad.


Lynn
Lynn @lynnb366

Clive, for the normal sun beds, only start at maybe 3-4 minutes @ a time until you know how your skin will react.


Stephanie
Stephanie @stephanie1075

It doesn’t help my particular type of psoriasis. I just found out that I am severely Vitamin D deficient so I will be taking mega dose once/week for 12 weeks so I’m hoping that will help with the ongoing fatigue!


Terri
Terri @terri1029

I used a tanning bed many times, it seemed to calm down the outbreaks a little but, but not enough to be sure.


Dianna
Dianna @diannad

I have a tanning bed I have used for years when I start having a Rheumatoid Arthritis flare up. Since I have gotten psoriasis seems like each time I get in it now it makes it all red again and I see more spots appear. So I don't get back in it for a long time. So what I'm reading here, some of you say it makes it worse then it gets better? Guess I should try it more.


Susan
Susan @godcares

Alana I agree... Gut health is a very big deal. That's how I got to where I am too and I had MANY autoimmune diseases. Treat one, treat them all. I am one very lucky momma.


Shreekant
Shreekant @shreekant

Psoriasis, means weak immune system of the body. So first improve your immune system along with any med.


Shreekant
Shreekant @shreekant

Some of the med are helpful to remove the scalp psoriasis. I am using the same and got benefited.


Justin
Justin @justin1

That is why I only use the tanning salon for just 5 minutes per week IN THE WINTER. Skin cancer will not rear it ugly head!


Dianna
Dianna @diannad

Everything I have had wrong with me is an immune system disease but nothing I have tried has improved my immune system. Have had Rheumatoid Arthritis for probably 25 yrs, had Non Hodgkin Lymphoma twice, after chemo the first time I had it, came out with Diabetes, Neuropathy in hands and feet and now Psoriasis. The dermatologist nor oncologist will agree to give me any of the meds for psoriasis because of the side affect of causing lymphoma. So it continues on so to speak, wondering what new disease will be next.


Brucew
Brucew @brucew

Dianne

Try a bit of sand, sea and sun seems to help the soul and body.


Dianna
Dianna @diannad

Brucew that it does, my favorite place to be. Unfortunately I'm about 8 1/2 hours from the beach. Will get there sometime this summer though.


 John, THE HULK
John, THE HULK @chewbacca

Changing Diet/lifestyle will improve things in the long term, if one keeps poisoning themselves with bad foods inflammation will show its ugly head, i helped my psoriasis inflammation and i have psoriatic arthritis also, i am proof it works and i still have treats now and again but i dont overdo it if i can help it, things are good :)


Alana
Alana @alana1

Hi Diane,

John Darts Vader is right on the money. I was diagnosed with psoriasis early this year Feb 2018.

I listened to John. I Did a 180 on my diet and lifestyle and my skin is clear and beautiful and I fired my Doctor after he insists I take cortisone and their pills that just wreak havoc on the immune system. This is an auto immune disease. If the body is at dis-ease you can put it back into ease......It takes hard work and discipline but it gets better and now Sunday is my day to be bad and it doesn't effect me now. Monday back to clean living. Clean 6 days a week.....Good Luck and Thank you again John Dart Vader....I am so happy and loving life again...


Michelle
Michelle @michelle1021

That is wonderful news Alana. Well done! Like John always say, you have to let your hair down once in a while. You deserve that! I agree with you on the clean eating. Because of my clean eating I can cheat without getting a flare or itch, but I only cheat for one day (okay sometimes the whole weekend!) but not every weekend. I'm glad you're happy and loving life again. Well done again.


tony
tony @warby

I went to eye hospital. Was told i got iritis caused by psorisis..its an infection of the iris


Roleen
Roleen @roleen

Did not realise that psoriasis can effect the iris. Hope you heal.


Michelle
Michelle @michelle1021

Tony, I'm so sorry to hear about your eye. Wow, never thought Iritis can be caused by Psoriasis. I hope the Dr gave you something good to clear up the infection? And how long does it take to clear?


tony
tony @warby

Dr said it could take up to 6 weeks to clear..i got to go back to outpatients next week..i googled iritis and its right..psorisis does affect your eye..lucky its only at the front and not at the back of the eye


 John, THE HULK
John, THE HULK @chewbacca

It can affect near anything from the heart ,lungs, eyes, joints more skin problems , i could go on what psoriasis can affect why eating a psoriatic diet is important to lessen inflammation though that is a choice a choice for everyone :)


Bob
Bob @Handsomebob

John what sort of diet are we talking about I have psoriasis and psoriatic arthritis but am also a diabetic no luck lol but am always being told what’s best to eat and if I was to be listening to all would be stuck on lettuce and vegtables


 John, THE HULK
John, THE HULK @chewbacca

Hello Bob, i have both too,my diet is diabetic most of the time, i have these conversations with diabetics a lot,you probably know to steer clear of pasta and breads as these turn to sugar, fruit juices sweetners aswell as packet items as you may know are bad also,i could go on,i am cooking tonight butter nut squash with parsnips and garlic and ginger and onions ,i have a big pot of veggies too with greens, cauliflour, green beans ,carrots, swede and carrots mixed which i will mash up together , i will have chicken with that,i do a great turmeric curry with powdered turmeric,cinnamon,garlic .ginger with lots of veggies with added sweet potatoes , i have that with brown rice,during the day i have salads with no tomatoes or peppers with olive oil,i have raw veggies diced with salad items like radishes,leeks, onions,green raw beans, peas, corn,cucumber ,lettuce, brown rice odd times i have gluten free pasta with it just for a change, i add avocados too, i eat one a day sometimes 2 in my salads :)i am quite limited only thing i do from a can is tuna but i rinse it off first with filtered water as i need to keep my shopping bills down, i do eat fruit aswell which maybe very limited for you?i have blueberries with pears and melon mixed with unsalted nuts not peanuts though,almond, hazel nuts,cashews etc, i did this diet/lifestyle for mainly my joints as that was the main problem, my arthritis is good now and has been for a year or more,if you have type 2 diabetes?,it can be reversed but i know it wasnt easy for me to change my Diet, slow elimination was key to my success,, over a year ago i really thought i couldnt do it and others thought i wouldnt either , i do let my hair down from time to time but not too much and it works for me , thank you :)


Dianna
Dianna @diannad

Bob, I feel the same way. I even worked with a dietician and could not do the diet she was wanting me to do. Mainly I couldn't afford it. By the time I bought the groceries to eat what she wanted me to eat, they would be gone in 3 or 4 days, then there was no money to go back and buy more till the next payday. Some of the stuff you guys are mentioning I don't even know what it is, other stuff is stuff I just can't make myself eat. I am in the USA and from the South, so if you know what we eat that is the problem right there, LOL although I don't anymore eat things like that, but still I can't do all the veggies and things you mention just for price here. I try to eat healthy, but its not doing the job when you run out and you HAVE to use pasta or something to stretch a meal for a family. Rice to me is for breakfast with sugar and milk, I have never been able to eat it with another meal. I don't eat it for breakfast anymore either, but that's my problem that I am referring to. My family likes it for breakfast also, so when I fix it for them, then I have to have something else that I'm allowed on a diabetic diet that I have in the house. Seems like a no win situation sometimes but I continue on.


 John, THE HULK
John, THE HULK @chewbacca

I agree with you Dianna, it is expensive to live healthy on fresh foods,if i was in a different situation financially, could i afford to eat like i do, probably not? i know my shopping bill is not cheap, i used pay a hundred pounds a month or around just for myself before changing my diet, i have doubled that to two hundred pounds a month,i always say even some changes is better than none, i know it affects my pocket and i am honest about that and i have said this in the past, i eat more now than i ever did before diet changes,i lost 3 and a half stone by eating a lot more foods though the right foods that we are generally supposed to eat, processed foods ,milk bread etc, these do fill you so can be cheap though not good for anyone generally, it does depend on ones pocket for sure


El
El @el1

Hi , interesting reading the above I eat quite a lot of Quinoa which is full of protein and Gluten free what I would do is cut up two breast of organic chicken and add the Quinoa with a little brown rice add Turmeric which is an anti - inflammatory plus garlic it is very cheap to make plus you can add any vegtables and I always make enough to last me 2 days ....Just if anyone is interested :)


Jen
Jen @jen1984

Yep El that's my dinners for half the week too. I alternate with fish for the other nights.


Lorna Penner
Lorna Penner @lornapenner

What kind of sun screen do the ,"P" people use?


 John, THE HULK
John, THE HULK @chewbacca

most p people use what none p people use i believe Lorna ?


Michelle
Michelle @michelle1021

Hi Lorna. I don't use sun screen but like John said, P sufferers use the same sun screen unless there is something else on the market that we don't know off?


Susan
Susan @godcares

I tend to eat like john as well EI... It's probably more of a diabetic diet, although I am not diabetic. My fruit is very little now. I don't really eat processed unless I'm being bad. LOL. Honestly, my grocery bill is not very high. Yes, I eat alot of vegetable and protein, but I have what is in season. Right now it's asparagus and it's not really cheap. However, it's pretty much been what we have every night. Salad is not costly and I recently planted a bunch of different lettuces. Looking forward to that.


Ian
Ian @iansss

I have used a handheld UV light on my elbows and knees, completely cleared up and not coming back yet (about 2 years). No good for scalp or in ears though.


Justin
Justin @justin1

As suntan cream and for my Psoriasis DAILY I use coconut oil - try it, it is amazing!


Lorna Penner
Lorna Penner @lornapenner

Tanning beds are dangerous in my opinion. Even at the hospital sometimes the nurses don`t regulate the temperature properly and it will burn you,,nothing you can do about it after you have cancer. its to late then.


Desley
Desley @desley

I agree with you on coconut oil, Justin. It is truly amazing how it works. I agree with you too Lorna about the tanning beds. Pretty much banned here in Australia because of the high sun-bed related skin cancer rates.


Shawn
Shawn @EatOrganic

I currently tan at a tanning salon once a week. I’m a vain American (even worse... a Floridian!) I am certainly aware of the risks. I must admit I tanned much too often when I was younger - we all did. In fact I’m embarrassed to admit I have even owned two tanning beds through the years. It did help my psoriasis a little however changing to an organic only diet and adding supplements has improved my psoriasis 90% and eliminated my psoriatic arthritis joint pain.


Beth
Beth @bethf

I have tried almost everything including tanning beds ... found a combo of moderate tanning while also using shea butter ( dermatologist advice) to work as well as all other topical medications I have tried.....


Terri
Terri @terri1029

I never thought of shea butter at the tanning bed, if anything it should help get some of that oil penetrated into the skin. But its hard to calm down a flare up.


Michelle
Michelle @michelle1021

I found that Shea Butter is soft on my P, but I don't use it anymore.


tony
tony @warby

I was told its not directly psorisis thats causes iritis..its my immune system..that causes problems such as psorisis and iritis..when i told the nurse i had psorisis..she said its iritis..because it's your immune system that causes problems i could get iritis again but psorisis will always be there .there was a trainee nurse at the eye hospital with psorisis all up her arms..and it looked angry..but obviously didnt bother her with her short sleeved top..i admired her because i couldnt do it..not while people are staring at me



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