12 Jul 22:34
Secrets, treatment, diet
A few open questions to all. Is anyone either supplementing K2 or getting it naturally and still suffering from psoraisis? If you are getting it, what is your source? Are you familiar with what K2 does?
Please don't include specific medical product brand names or external links.
12 Jul 23:09
Never heard of K2 for p.
Interested in hearing the responses.
12 Jul 23:53
I too have not heard of it.
13 Jul 04:45
Steve, I was taking K2 with D3 a couple years back but stopped when I felt no change. (I was far more concerned with energy levels then - and actually still am.) I've just begun taking Life Extension Super K with Advanced K2 Complex along with Nordic Naturals ProOmega-D. What have you been using, and how long did it take you to see results?
13 Jul 05:29
Don't know what that is Steve but it sounds interesting.
13 Jul 06:04
Yes i have heard of this , i was meant to get some while ago then forgot about it, glad you remind me steve, i will look on Ebay thank you :)
13 Jul 06:10
Hi Steve, can you tell about the K2?
I am curious.
13 Jul 08:18
Meat eggs cheese and yogurt supply us with K2 as well as D. As far as i know. But not exactly sure what K2 does if we already supplement with high doses of D.
13 Jul 11:43
I get this question from my patients also. Basically, the main thing you need to know is that Vitamin D/K2 and Magnesium all interact and need each other in the body. By supplementing too much with Vitamin D and ignoring K1/K2 and magnesium your system won't be balanced. Some companies like lifeextension have d3/k2 in combination in ratio's that make sense. Magnesium which most people are deficient in another topic altogether but one I would be happy to comment on if others are interested.
13 Jul 14:51
I know that K2 and D3 should be taken in connection with each other, and hadn't realised about Magnesium. Do tell us more about your experiences with this Jonathan!
13 Jul 18:49
@sarah - when it comes to magnesium - you want to take several different types as everyone absorbs them differently. I don't know of any studies that show low magnesium making psoriasis worse but since most of the population is not getting enough, it's certainly not going to hurt and is part of supplementation that starts with getting your Vit D in range, which is associated with lower rates of psoriasis. Now, personally, I try to soak in epsom salt baths a few times a week as that can allow you to absorb some of the magnesium through your skin. I also take various forms of magnesium. I take mag threonate in the mornings and also alternate at night malate vs a combo mag. They can cause diarrhea so you have to see how your tolerate and you can lower or increase as tolerated. I think it is important for overall health and if you are supplementing with Vit D/K. PM me if you want more information about this.
13 Jul 19:05
What is this? and what does it do? Is it safe to supplement in this manner? I'd love to hear more about this. And Jonathan if you know more about it I'd love to hear about it. I've not heard of any of this. Tks...
13 Jul 20:16
I will for sure give these a try Jonathan thank you ,I have done enough supplements that dont really make a difference though, i dont have psoriasis bad not like in my younger days,I do Diet/lifestyle changes and have been on that for a year and half,I cant complain, :)
13 Jul 22:38
@john - you are welcome, sometimes, it's all about the combination of things, you never know when you hit a synergistic combo and one plus one equals 4.
13 Jul 23:25
I asked this because I wanted to offer what might have been a final cure for my psoriasis and may also cure others. Many people in industrialized nations are deficient in three important nutrients. These are D3, magnesium, and K2. The reasons for the deficiencies are varied. For D3, we spend inadequate time in the sun due to our jobs and overuse of sun screens. For magnesium, it has been stripped from our soils through over farming. The vegetables and fruits that were once rich in magnesium contain far less now. K2 is even more elusive as it comes from the fats of grass fed animals. Most of our animals are no longer grass fed so the animals don't produce K2 and then we don't consume it. Eggs would normally contain high concentrations, but very few do anymore unless they are truly pastured. Organ meats from grass fed animals would contain a lot of K2, but who eats organ meats in western societies. It's also prevalent in Gouda and Brie cheese, but many psoriasis sufferers stay away from dairy. So unless you make a conscious effort to get K2 or supplement, you likely don't get any. In the 1930's, Dr, Weston A Price discovered many diseases prevalent in western cultures to be rarely present in non-Western cultures. He isolated something he called the X-factor that was prevalent in health non-western societies. It took 60 years for scientist to identify this as K2 and to understand it's role in disease prevention, Research is still underway. In short here is what happens. D3 is essential in helping your body absorb calcium and phosphorus. D3 needs magnesium to metabolize, so D3 without magnesium is useless. Then the next critical thing is K2. K2 regulates where the calcium goes like a traffic cop. With K2, the calcium goes to building strong bones and teeth where it is intended. Tooth decay can even be reversed. Without K2, calcium builds up in unwanted places, like your arteries, skin, and kidneys. This is potentially why psoriasis suffers get flares from high calcium products like dairy. Without K2 directing the calcium, it goes to their skin ad other undesirable places.
Psoriasis plaques are known to contain high concentrations of calcium. A, C, and Zinc are also important, but people are not as deficient in those and a good daily vitamin will cover you there. For anyone suffering from psoriasis, consider start taking all three orally. And if you can stand it, spray Magnesium Oil (Magnesium Chloride) directly on your psoriasis. It's going to burn, so dilute if needed to the point you can take it. Or you can dissolve magnesium chloride crystals or Epsom Salts into a bath and soak. But if you can't, just continue the oral supplements along with a good daily vitamin. This has cured some people including me. I am getting MK-4 K2 through a variety of sources, but it may just easy for others to take a MK-7 K2 supplement to start out and get things moving quickly. Double the dose if you like, you can't really overdose on K2. There is no risk in trying this approach and has potential to significantly reduce if not cure your psoriasis. Since many foods no longer contain the magnesium they once did, a magnesium supplement is probably best. I'm taking a 3 in 1 and also use a product called Calm containing magnesium citrate. I also use magnesium oil spray. Same for D3, supplement if you don't have time get enough sunshine. If this is going to work for you, I would expect you to see significant improvement within 30-45 days. I saw my last remaining psoriasis disappear in less than 30 days. I previously was in significant remission from Kombucha with turmeric, ginger and pineapple juices, but I had a half dozen pencil eraser sized patches on my knees, a persistent dime size patch on the back of my left leg, and two toenails that remained deformed with nail bed separation. This discovery took it all way for me. I hope it helps for some of you.
14 Jul 07:35
Thank you Jonathan and Steve! This is the information I am looking for. Hard to figure out by my self. Steve you explained it very well, it does make sense. ❤️
14 Jul 09:51
I have already been to Ebay to order my supplements , thanks steve, i let you know ow i get on in time :)
14 Jul 11:15
Thank you for these timely reminders, Steve! A couple of years back, I was taking all three of these supplements (and several others), but I became frustrated with my lack of progress and abandoned all supplements in favor of a “whole foods only” approach as the best source of all nutrients. 🍏🍋🥑🥥🥗🥕Your post about D3 (2 months ago) prompted me to resume taking D3 and K2, 💊 but I had totally forgotten about the need for adding magnesium to the mix until Jonathan mentioned it. My old bottle of tablets has expired, so I’ll need to reorder them, but half a bag of magnesium flakes remains. I’m going to take your advice and spray magnesium oil over every P spot, and now that I’m finally eating a healthy diet, I have every belief that I’ll finally meet with the success that’s eluded me all these years. So excited!
I came to Flaym seeking those last few pieces to the puzzle for ridding myself of psoriasis. Your posts have provided the much-needed reminder that it takes ALL of the components working together for healing to take place. I’m so happy that you have found healing and pray that you will flourish in other areas, as well. Many blessings! 🦋
PS: Thanks to you also, my first batch of kefir should be ready for bottling this afternoon!
14 Jul 15:41
I am taking a 3 in 1 magnesium tablet supplement, I drink magnesium citrate powder in a glass of water a few times a week, and I also spray magnesium oil on my body a few times a week. I am dosing D3 10000 IU. For K2, I am getting it through food, but it's not easy or cheap. I am on warfarin as I have a mechanical heart valve so I have been actively monitoring my INR through the diet change. There has been no impact and I still remain in therapeutic range. I believe K1 may more directly impact coagulation. I am also going to try a MK-7 K2 supplement and will also monitor INR daily for the first week or two. But the foods I'm getting K2 from are quite good, so no urgency for the supplement. My D3 was 31 ng/ml in my early May blood work and although not particularly low or deficient, my heart doctor still suggested supplementation to get it higher as he would like to see 50 ng/ml or higher.
14 Jul 16:00
Further, I'm not suggesting MK-4 K2 through natural animal fat sources is better than natto derived K2 in MK-7 supplements. In fact, I've read MK-7 may be more effective in reducing inflammation as it stays in your body longer. The only reason I am particularly careful with supplements is due to their potential impact on my coagulation, warfarin therapy, and INR. So close monitoring when dealing with any K vitamin is required and there seems less impact through foods. I will try MK-7 soon as the food sources are a tad pricey.
14 Jul 18:08
Thanks Steve for sharing your information.
Do you know how K2 affects those of us who are on warfarin? Also, I live in a very sunny climate (Arizona) and am outside daily. Do you feel that being outdoors everyday in the sun will give the D we need?
14 Jul 18:35
Hi Jim, as I stated above, I am on warfarin for a mechanical heart valve. My INR therapeutic range is 2.5 to 3.5. I have my own INR testing device so I am able to test at home as often as I wish. My doctor has always said, live your life and adjust warfarin to it. I am obtaining K2 through animal fat sources for several months now without and there has been no INR impact for me. I will try MK-7 tablet form soon and see if it has an impact for me. I think K1 is more the driver in coagulation. l already eat lot of broccoli, so my warfarin range is high at 7-9 mg. I would suggest just monitoring your INR through a diet change and consult with your doctor adjusting warfarin as necessary. Regarding vitamin D from sunshine, I've heard 20 minutes a day in the sun produces sufficient quantities of D3, however, that is 20 minutes without sunscreen and clothing. Best though to just have your doctor test your D3 level and see where you are. 40 to 80 ng/ml is the recommended range.
15 Jul 02:23
So sorry to hear about your heart issues, Steve, but glad to see that you and your doctor have a good handle on things. Keeping you in my thoughts and prayers ...🦋
15 Jul 02:47
Thanks Ava, it's no big deal really. I was born with a malformed bicuspid aortic valve where normally people have a tricuspid aortic. I didn't know and in 2005 it failed miserably sending me into full heart failure and pulmonary edema. It almost killed me, but the ER doctors were able to able to stabalize me by dropping my blood pressure very low so the back pressure was not as severe. I then had heart surgery and they put in a mechanical valve which works just fine. It's a simple butterfly valve. But with it, there is always a risk of blood clots forming on it and being tossed in one direction or the other resulting in a stroke or heart attack. So I must take anticoagulants (warfarin) and routinely test the coagulation level, (INR). K1 is a coagulant so I just need to adjust dose accordingly. I haven't seen an INR impact from my K2 foods. The valve causes me no issues and my heart is very healthy. I get a full echocardiogram every year along with extensive blood work and get nuclear stress test every other year. I am the luckiest of three siblings as I have had a good long life. They all died young of brain cancer.
15 Jul 04:28
Actually four siblings including me. Three died of of brain cancer. A defective heart valve, endocarditis, pulmonary edema, a touch of malignant melanoma, a few bouts with kidney stones, and some psoraisis are all minor things by far in comparison to what they went through.
15 Jul 11:31
Tremendous attitude; worthy warrior, Steve!
15 Jul 11:38
I agree with Ava Steve, you are a worthy warrior indeed. Thank you for being an inspiration to all of us. By this I realize more how lucky I am to have my health and I should look after it. You have really touched my heart with you positive attitude and perseverance. Thank you Steve. :)
15 Jul 17:36
Me too agree , Great attitude and advice , Thanks man :)
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